{"id":27830,"date":"2016-09-16T12:03:55","date_gmt":"2016-09-16T10:03:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/?p=27830"},"modified":"2017-03-02T17:53:45","modified_gmt":"2017-03-02T16:53:45","slug":"musotalk-video-system-8-anfassen-fragestunde","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/musotalk-video-system-8-anfassen-fragestunde\/27830","title":{"rendered":"Musotalk VIdeo: System 8 anfassen &#8211; Fragestunde"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Fragestunde zum System 8 war gestern um 16:00 wir haben Fragen aus dem Chat beantwortet. Wer nicht dabei war, war nicht dabei:<\/p>\n<div class=\"lyte-wrapper\" title=\"Die wichtigsten Antworten zum Roland System 8 Plug-out Synthesizer\" style=\"width:640px;max-width:100%;margin:5px;\"><div class=\"lyMe\" id=\"WYL_SHF5x_DN1AA\" itemprop=\"video\" itemscope itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/VideoObject\"><div><meta itemprop=\"thumbnailUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/wp-youtube-lyte\/lyteCache.php?origThumbUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FSHF5x_DN1AA%2Fhqdefault.jpg\" \/><meta itemprop=\"embedURL\" content=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/SHF5x_DN1AA\" \/><meta itemprop=\"duration\" content=\"PT39M8S\" \/><meta itemprop=\"uploadDate\" content=\"2016-09-16T10:55:58Z\" \/><\/div><div id=\"lyte_SHF5x_DN1AA\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/wp-youtube-lyte\/lyteCache.php?origThumbUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FSHF5x_DN1AA%2Fhqdefault.jpg\" class=\"pL\"><div class=\"tC\"><div class=\"tT\" itemprop=\"name\">Die wichtigsten Antworten zum Roland System 8 Plug-out Synthesizer<\/div><\/div><button tabindex=\"0\" class=\"play\"><\/button><div class=\"ctrl\"><div class=\"Lctrl\"><\/div><div class=\"Rctrl\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><noscript><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/SHF5x_DN1AA\" rel=\"nofollow\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/wp-youtube-lyte\/lyteCache.php?origThumbUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FSHF5x_DN1AA%2F0.jpg\" alt=\"Die wichtigsten Antworten zum Roland System 8 Plug-out Synthesizer\" width=\"640\" height=\"340\" \/><br \/>Dieses Video auf YouTube ansehen<\/a><\/noscript><meta itemprop=\"description\" content=\"Moogulator und Michael Menze von Roland beantworten die wichtigsten Fragen zum neuen Roland System 8 Plugout Synthesizer. Weitere Videos: http:\/\/www.musotalk.de\"><\/div><\/div><div class=\"lL\" style=\"max-width:100%;width:640px;margin:5px;\"><\/div><\/p>\n<p>Mit dabei war allerdings Michael Menze von Roland.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/musotalk-video-system-8-anfassen-fragestunde\/27830\/roland-system-8-2\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-27833\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"27833\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/musotalk-video-system-8-anfassen-fragestunde\/27830\/roland-system-8-2\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/roland-system-8.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"2048,1536\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"roland-system-8\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/roland-system-8-800x600.jpg\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-27833\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/roland-system-8-800x600.jpg\" alt=\"roland-system-8\" width=\"474\" height=\"356\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/roland-system-8-800x600.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/roland-system-8-150x113.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/roland-system-8-666x500.jpg 666w, https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/roland-system-8.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 474px) 100vw, 474px\" \/><br \/>\n&#8222;<\/a>hairmetal&#8220; aus dem Forum fasst die Themen zusammen:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/synthesizer\/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=117019&amp;start=150#p1373917\">Re: Roland System-8<\/a><\/p>\n<p>[05:00]<br \/>\nDie System-8 Tastatur ist vergleichbar mit dem JX-Xa\u00a0(Kein Aftertouch allerdings).<\/p>\n<p>[06:50]<br \/>\nGewicht knapp unter 6kg, f\u00fchlt sich sehr leicht an f\u00fcr die Gr\u00f6sse. Taster, Schalter und LED-Kr\u00e4nze sind identisch zum System-1, nur die Abst\u00e4nde zueinander sind gr\u00f6sser.<\/p>\n<p>[08:00]<br \/>\nEIgene Detune-Potis, M\u00f6glichkeit zu FM-Synthese und FM mit Sync, mit User-Feedback via Display.<\/p>\n<p>[09:20]<br \/>\nLogic-Funktion (X-OR \u00e4hnlich), gut f\u00fcr &#8222;Krach-Sounds&#8220;.<\/p>\n<p>[10:00]<br \/>\nMit den &#8222;Variation&#8220;-Potis gibt es u.a. Vocal-Synth (Formant-Synthese?) und eine Cowbell (!!)<\/p>\n<p>[12:25]<br \/>\nWas macht Variation beim LFO? Er setzt einen zweiten(!) LFO &#8222;obendrauf&#8220; &#8211; der zweite LFO moduliert den ersten. Die dritte Stellung des Variation-Reglers ist eine Modulation dazwischen, mittels einer komplexeren Wellenform.<\/p>\n<p>[14:08]<br \/>\nDie bisherigen drei Boutiques bleiben weiter regul\u00e4r erh\u00e4ltlich (Pers. Anmerkung: Da gehen s\u00e4mtliche Kriterien f\u00fcr zuk\u00fcnftige &#8222;Limited Editions&#8220; von Roland IMHO gerade flott zum Fenster raus&#8230; also auf dieses &#8222;Marketing-Tool&#8220; w\u00fcrde ich in Zukunft nicht mehr allzuviel Gewicht geben&#8230; Wenn die Nachfrage &#8222;stark genug&#8220; ist, wird aus &#8222;Limited&#8220; also eine v\u00f6llig regul\u00e4re Edition&#8230;)<\/p>\n<p>[15:50]<br \/>\nDie bestehenden Plugouts laufen auf dem System-8, aber nur monophon (wenn ich also alle drei Slots &#8222;verbrauche&#8220;, schaffe ich wohl dennoch einen dreistimmigen Akkord.) Umgekehrt funktionert es (noch) nicht, d.h. Jupiter-Plugout l\u00e4uft nicht auf System-1 &#8230;was auch zu erwarten war&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>[17:50]<br \/>\nDie Frage, ob man mittels Variation an einen zweiten LFO des JX rank\u00e4me, muss bisher leider unbeantwortet bleiben.<\/p>\n<p>[18:15]<br \/>\nMan weiss derzeit noch nicht, ob es auch den Jupiter und den Juno dereinst als VST-Plugins geben wird. Ebenso nicht, ob die bisherigen monophonen Plugouts auf dem System-8 polyphon spielbar sein werden.<\/p>\n<p>[18:55]<br \/>\nMan kann beide Plugouts (bzw. vier Slots) gleichzeitig im System-8 benutzen. Keyboard-Split und Layer ist nat\u00fcrlich ebenso m\u00f6glich; Split-Bereich und MIDI-Kanal lassen sich separat definieren.<\/p>\n<p>[20:40]<br \/>\nDie Gr\u00fcn-Aversion-Beleuchtung ist dimm- und abschaltbar.<\/p>\n<p>[21:10]<br \/>\nDer SD-Card Slot dient einzig der Restore- und Backup-Funktion. (Pers. Anmerkung: Keine Konkurrenz f\u00fcr bisherige NordWave\/Sledge\/2box-User &#8211; freut euch! ) Ob Firmware-Updates \u00fcber die Karte oder \u00fcber USB gehen steht offenbar noch in den Sternen.<\/p>\n<p>[21:50]<br \/>\nDie Stimmenzuweisung ist starr &#8211; 4 + 4 &#8230;vier Stimmen oben, vier unten&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>[22:40]<br \/>\nDie Treiber f\u00fcr die USB-Anbindung wird erst in ein paar Wochen erh\u00e4ltlich sein; mutmasslich wird es nicht \u00fcber 2-in\/2-out hinaus gehen. Die Anbindung erfolgt \u00fcber USB 2.0-Standard.<\/p>\n<p>[23:50]<br \/>\nMan kann mehrere USB-Produkte \u00fcber Roland&#8217;s eigenen USB-Mixer MX-1 einschleifen &#8211; dies ist u.a. der 24-bit\/96kHz-Spezifikation geschuldet &#8211; ein Investment, um mehrere Sachen einzubinden. Unter Mac\/Logic w\u00e4re evtl. der Umweg \u00fcber &#8222;Aggregated Devices&#8220; m\u00f6glich; PC-Nutzer k\u00f6nnten sich mit iConnectivity behelfen&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>[26:10]<br \/>\nDie eingebauten Sequencer lassen sich \u00fcber USB miteinander syncen.<\/p>\n<p>[26:43]<br \/>\nDas Keyboard des System-8 hat keinen Aftertouch, geschweige denn <em>polyphonen<\/em> Aftertouch&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>[27:30]<br \/>\nAuch der eingebaute System-8 Sequencer orientiert sich am Jay-Dex-Aye.<\/p>\n<p>[28:55]<br \/>\nMittels Variation l\u00e4sst sich neben 12\/18\/24db Hoch- und Tiefpass auch ein Kamm-Filter anw\u00e4hlen.<\/p>\n<p>[31:15]<br \/>\nBei Filterverl\u00e4ufen treten keine h\u00f6rbaren Steps zutage. Gute interne Gl\u00e4ttung der Parameter.<\/p>\n<p>[33:00]<br \/>\nDer Strassenpreis wird sich auf 1499.-\u20ac belaufen (&#8230;wussten wir ja schon) inklusive zwei Plugouts (!) Erh\u00e4ltlich sein wird er ab Oktober.<\/p>\n<p>[36:25]<br \/>\nDie Plugouts werden standardm\u00e4ssig integriert und nicht kostenpflichtig sein (wer die Hardware kauft, hat Anspruch auf die Jupiter- und Juno-Plugouts). Der Juno kommt anfangs 2017.<\/p>\n<p>[37:30]<br \/>\nModulation und FX lassen sich im internen Sequencer aufzeichenen (&#8230;Hallo, &#8222;Motion Sequence&#8220;!)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Update: <\/strong><br \/>\nEinladen von Plug-Outs sieht so aus &#8211; Einfach am Plug-in ausw\u00e4hlen, einen Slot w\u00e4hlen und warten, es dauert etwas l\u00e4nger als beim System 1..<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/musotalk-video-system-8-anfassen-fragestunde\/27830\/roland-plugout-selektor\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-29699\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"29699\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/musotalk-video-system-8-anfassen-fragestunde\/27830\/roland-plugout-selektor\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/Roland-Plugout-Selektor.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"946,286\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-title=\"Roland Plugout Selektor\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/Roland-Plugout-Selektor-800x242.jpg\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-29699\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/Roland-Plugout-Selektor-666x201.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"666\" height=\"201\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/Roland-Plugout-Selektor-666x201.jpg 666w, https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/Roland-Plugout-Selektor-150x45.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/Roland-Plugout-Selektor-800x242.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/Roland-Plugout-Selektor-720x218.jpg 720w, https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/Roland-Plugout-Selektor-560x169.jpg 560w, https:\/\/www.sequencer.de\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/09\/Roland-Plugout-Selektor.jpg 946w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 666px) 100vw, 666px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Eingeladen werden die Plugouts wie Juno oder Jupiter \u00fcber ein BIN-File, was man dem System per USB Upload hochl\u00e4d, eine Taste beim Start festh\u00e4lt und dann neu startet &#8211; 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