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Re: Yamaha Montage - Der Neue Große…
Vielleicht ist das Posting von Dave Polich auch für andere interessant [Quelle: gearslutz]
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I've had one in my studio since January of 2015 (because I'm on the Yamaha sound design team).
It sounds great. It does not sound "thin". You can make it sound thin with EQ or filters if you want. It's very loud, about twice as loud as the Motif XF. Bottom end is warm, full, midrange is punchy and present, highs are detailed and clear. It's the only true 8-operator FM synth on the market now. it is not the old DX7 style of FM sound, but very high-definition, the engine is similar to the FS1R but no formants, however, you do have more than just sine-waves as carriers/modulators, every operator can have resonance and its own amplitude envelope, plus you have global filter and amplitude envelopes available for an FM "part" (which is the same as a "voice", or single sound, in the old Motif series), as well as DSP effects. There are loads of new samples. Effects are the usual superior Yamaha quality. The motion control features are insane. It has an envelope follower that works. Do I care about the lack of sequencer? Absolutely not. I just like a synth that sounds good. Montage is a true synthesizer (FM) with sample playback...great combination.
The factory sounds are a good balance between bread-and-butter and EDM. The electric pianos feature adjustable balance between the main tine sound and the mechanical noise. The organs feature adjustable overdrive, leakage, chorus/vibrato and percussion. Yes there is a 9-drawbar B3. Many of the sounds are hybrids of FM and sample playback, including string and brass sounds. There are FM bell and percussion sounds, guitars, sitars, dulcimers, basses, electric pianos, clavs, and tons of FM pads, soundscapes, and edgy EDM sounds too.
Don't judge anything based on YouTube audio, that audio sucks. SoundCloud audio sucks. The only way you should hear it is in person.
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Originally Posted by DomiBabi View Post
Since you have experience with it, can I ask you:
1. How does motion sequence compare to the parameter locking of an Elektron device? How many simultaneous functions can be controlled per step?
2. I'm a bit confused about the sequencer... they got rid of the one used for the motif? I can't make different 16 bar loops for all the parts of my songs then? How does the motion sequencer differ from the xf seq?
3. I see that there is now a side-chaining feature.. only for compression? can I send the montage a dummy kick from my daw?
4. I see it reads motif xf format... what is the storage like? How many of the sounds are brand new?
5. it's being advertised as a true synth... not a ROMPLER... besides FM, will it do traditional subtractive VA? How is the user interface for creating new FM sounds?
1. I'm not familiar with the Elektron product. You have up to 16 sources and destinations for a single part. No I do not have a list of what can be a source or a destination, but its pretty long, and includes all of the parameters for every DSP effect. The routing and implementation is extremely deep, I don't have space or time to go into that here.
2. Yes there is NO Motif-style sequencer. You don't create songs or patterns on Montage, You do that in your DAW (like Cubase).
3. Sidechain can implement external audio input. It can be routed not only to compression. To be honest I'm not an expert on the sidechain implementation. What IS cooler than the sidechain is the envelope follower - the envelope of one sound can be used to modulate another sound. For example, a drum pattern can be used to modulate a synth pad or lead sound. This is very powerful, more powerful than most people realize, because it isnt a feature found on many other synths.
4. The storage allows for 1.75 GB of user (meaning your own) sample content. How many "new" sounds? ALL of them. There are no leftovers from the Motif.
As for the exact number - I can't tell you because that has not been finalized.
5. The two engines are AWM (sample-driven) and FM. No virtual analog. no modeling. Just those two engines. Regarding the user interface, that is something you'd have to explore yourself to get a true picture of its depth and implementation. Btw, Yamaha didn't abandon virtual analog - they put it in the Reface CS (which is another product).
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Gemäß den Spezifikationen die Michael Burman gepostet hat, kommt der MONTAGE mit Sequenzer.
EDIT: Sorry Michael!
Vielleicht ist das Posting von Dave Polich auch für andere interessant [Quelle: gearslutz]
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I've had one in my studio since January of 2015 (because I'm on the Yamaha sound design team).
It sounds great. It does not sound "thin". You can make it sound thin with EQ or filters if you want. It's very loud, about twice as loud as the Motif XF. Bottom end is warm, full, midrange is punchy and present, highs are detailed and clear. It's the only true 8-operator FM synth on the market now. it is not the old DX7 style of FM sound, but very high-definition, the engine is similar to the FS1R but no formants, however, you do have more than just sine-waves as carriers/modulators, every operator can have resonance and its own amplitude envelope, plus you have global filter and amplitude envelopes available for an FM "part" (which is the same as a "voice", or single sound, in the old Motif series), as well as DSP effects. There are loads of new samples. Effects are the usual superior Yamaha quality. The motion control features are insane. It has an envelope follower that works. Do I care about the lack of sequencer? Absolutely not. I just like a synth that sounds good. Montage is a true synthesizer (FM) with sample playback...great combination.
The factory sounds are a good balance between bread-and-butter and EDM. The electric pianos feature adjustable balance between the main tine sound and the mechanical noise. The organs feature adjustable overdrive, leakage, chorus/vibrato and percussion. Yes there is a 9-drawbar B3. Many of the sounds are hybrids of FM and sample playback, including string and brass sounds. There are FM bell and percussion sounds, guitars, sitars, dulcimers, basses, electric pianos, clavs, and tons of FM pads, soundscapes, and edgy EDM sounds too.
Don't judge anything based on YouTube audio, that audio sucks. SoundCloud audio sucks. The only way you should hear it is in person.
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Originally Posted by DomiBabi View Post
Since you have experience with it, can I ask you:
1. How does motion sequence compare to the parameter locking of an Elektron device? How many simultaneous functions can be controlled per step?
2. I'm a bit confused about the sequencer... they got rid of the one used for the motif? I can't make different 16 bar loops for all the parts of my songs then? How does the motion sequencer differ from the xf seq?
3. I see that there is now a side-chaining feature.. only for compression? can I send the montage a dummy kick from my daw?
4. I see it reads motif xf format... what is the storage like? How many of the sounds are brand new?
5. it's being advertised as a true synth... not a ROMPLER... besides FM, will it do traditional subtractive VA? How is the user interface for creating new FM sounds?
1. I'm not familiar with the Elektron product. You have up to 16 sources and destinations for a single part. No I do not have a list of what can be a source or a destination, but its pretty long, and includes all of the parameters for every DSP effect. The routing and implementation is extremely deep, I don't have space or time to go into that here.
2. Yes there is NO Motif-style sequencer. You don't create songs or patterns on Montage, You do that in your DAW (like Cubase).
3. Sidechain can implement external audio input. It can be routed not only to compression. To be honest I'm not an expert on the sidechain implementation. What IS cooler than the sidechain is the envelope follower - the envelope of one sound can be used to modulate another sound. For example, a drum pattern can be used to modulate a synth pad or lead sound. This is very powerful, more powerful than most people realize, because it isnt a feature found on many other synths.
4. The storage allows for 1.75 GB of user (meaning your own) sample content. How many "new" sounds? ALL of them. There are no leftovers from the Motif.
As for the exact number - I can't tell you because that has not been finalized.
5. The two engines are AWM (sample-driven) and FM. No virtual analog. no modeling. Just those two engines. Regarding the user interface, that is something you'd have to explore yourself to get a true picture of its depth and implementation. Btw, Yamaha didn't abandon virtual analog - they put it in the Reface CS (which is another product).
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Gemäß den Spezifikationen die Michael Burman gepostet hat, kommt der MONTAGE mit Sequenzer.
EDIT: Sorry Michael!
Weil Yamaha kann viel schreiben. "Wir haben unsere berühmten SPX-Reverbs verbaut" usw. Lexicon schreibt auch, dass in MX400 die berühmten Lexicon-Reverbs drin wären oder so ähnlich. Aber für mich ist MX400-Qualität erstmal ok. Besser als Yamaha oder AKAI.
