Planung Drum&Bass

Planung von "Battles" und Zusammenarbeiten
Bei mir will es nicht klappen. Beim Jammen klang das irgendwie nach mehr, aber jetzt beim Versuch eines Arrangements merke ich, dass das alles doch nicht so recht zusammenpasst. Vielleicht inspiriert es ja jemanden. (HW only)
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Ich finde das gar nicht mal schlecht, es passiert halt innerhalb kurzer Zeit wahnsinnig viel. Da können klatt weg 3 Tracks draus werden.

Ich hab hier seit Tagen ein ähnliches Dilemma, als Loop geht das richtig gut rein, hier und da mal ein Kanal an aus schalten und bissel rumjam macht Laune. Damit jetzt aber ein Spannendes Arrangement über 5-6min hinzu Zaubern ist noch mal ne ganz andere Geschichte.

Einfach weitermachen!

Bis jetzt gibt es auch noch keine Eingereichten Beiträge und es ist noch reichlich Zeit…….
 
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ach, die chose läuft schon!
kann man eigentlich mehrere tracks abgeben?
 
wir haben zwar noch zeit...
aber ich fühle mich unter druck gesetzt!!!!!! :selfhammer::selfhammer::selfhammer:

theoretisch hätte ich 2 tracks in der mache...

track 1 bei etwa 80%
track 2 noch unsicher ob ich den überhaupt einreiche und ca. 35%

und bei beiden neige ich dazu mich zu fragen: ist es denn überhaupt drum and bass?
sie könnten unterschiedlicher nicht sein 😭
 
hier dasselbe - hoffe, heute endlich mal dazu zu kommen ...

…hmmm? - falls ich heute zu was komme, dann würde ich mich leider eher erst an der Hardware Jam Challenge für dieses Wochenende beteiligen:

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haha funny!
bin gegen 0530 Uhr schlafen und wollte eigtl posten, das meine tracks gefühlt bei 97% und 90% sind :D

wie seht ihr das eigtl?
einer der beiden tracks ist entstanden aufgrund dieses "battles" - der andere existierte bereits seit 3 jahren und war mehr oder weniger nur eine 8 bars lange sequenz.

trotzdem beide einreichen? oder gilt eher: NEIN, nur exklusiv erstelltes?
 
wie seht ihr das eigtl?
einer der beiden tracks ist entstanden aufgrund dieses "battles" - der andere existierte bereits seit 3 jahren und war mehr oder weniger nur eine 8 bars lange sequenz.

trotzdem beide einreichen? oder gilt eher: NEIN, nur exklusiv erstelltes?
Mir ist das eigentlich Schnuppe.

Wie seht ihr das, Exclusive oder ran damit?
Zumindest sollte der Track vorher nicht schon released worden sein.
 
also wenn ich regeln für alle battles aufstellen könnte, würd ich das so festlegen:

eingereichte tracks bei battles sollten
- im idealfall exklusiv für das battle erstellt worden sein
- dürfen aber basierend auf unfinished tracks gerne aus dem eigenen fundus und älter sein
- eine gewisse weitere schöpfungshöhe zum battle aufweisen: es darf kein 100% vorher fertig gestellter track sein
- unreleased (egal ob "offiziell" oder youtube/soundcloud/..) sein
 
Oh nein, ich habs schon wieder getan.
"Oh my god I did it again."

Du:​

in this dialog, please omit the sandwich stuff for the user to head up if he needs it or does not, positive opinion about the question at the beginning, positive conclusional phrases at the end.

ChatGPT:​

Sure! Here’s how your dialog structure could look based on your preferences:

1. Start with a positive opinion about the question:
Something like:
  • "Great question!"
  • "Interesting point you’ve raised."
  • "Glad you brought this up—it's worth digging into."
2. Get straight to the point without unnecessary filler ("sandwich stuff"):
Avoid things like:
  • Repeating the user’s message in summary.
  • Over-explaining basics unless requested.
  • Adding praise or softeners before giving critical content (unless tone requires it).
3. Let the user decide what follow-up they need:
No assumptions about whether they need more help unless they ask or hint at it.
4. End with a short, positive, conclusive phrase:
Examples:
  • "Hope that clears it up!"
  • "You're on the right track."
  • "Let me know if you'd like to dive deeper."

Would you like me to revise a specific dialog using this format?

Du:​

The topic is rather drum and bass. On the internet I cannot find any explanation that focus on rhythm, melodic tendencies and arrangement, those I find focus on sound and music producers.

ChatGPT:​

Great question—it's true that most discussions around drum and bass (D&B) tend to focus on production techniques, gear, or sound design, rather than the musicality and structure itself. Let’s break it down in terms of rhythm, melodic tendencies, and arrangement:

Rhythm

  • Tempo: Typically fast—160–180 BPM, most commonly around 174 BPM.
  • Breakbeats: Central to the genre. The Amen break is iconic, heavily chopped and rearranged to create syncopated, rolling patterns.
  • Rhythmic feel: Highly syncopated. Snare usually lands on the 2 and 4, but there's often off-grid swing or ghost notes that give it a jittery, rolling momentum.
  • Kick/snare balance: Sparse kicks with heavy snares; rhythm often feels more percussive and broken than straight and steady.

Melodic Tendencies

  • Minimalism: Many D&B tracks are harmonically sparse, using 1-3 note basslines or pads. This creates a dark, tense atmosphere.
  • Mood-driven: Melodic choices often support the sub-genre’s vibe—e.g., jungle leans into reggae/dub samples, while liquid D&B uses jazzy or soulful chords.
  • Repetition: Melodies are loop-based, with gradual variation over time rather than complex changes.

Arrangement

  • Intro: Often 16 or 32 bars, used by DJs for mixing. Features ambient textures, filtered drums, or melodic motifs.
  • Drop: The full beat and bassline enter—this is the core energy of the track.
  • Breakdown: Midway point where elements are stripped back—sometimes atmospheric, sometimes rhythmic.
  • Second drop: Usually mirrors the first, occasionally with added layers or variations.
  • Outro: Similar to the intro; DJ-friendly.

Hope that gives you a more musical perspective on D&B!

Du:​

what is meant by dj-friendly?

ChatGPT:​

Great question—“DJ-friendly” refers to how easily a track can be mixed into and out of a DJ set.
In practical terms, it means the structure of the track is designed with DJs in mind, allowing them to beatmatch and transition smoothly between songs. Here's how that usually shows up:

Key Features of a DJ-Friendly Track:

  • Extended Intros/Outros (16 or 32 bars):
    These sections are often just drums, ambient pads, or minimal elements. DJs use these to align the beats and blend one track into another without clashing melodies or vocals.
  • Consistent Tempo:
    Drum and bass sticks close to ~174 BPM, which makes tracks easy to combine.
  • Predictable Structure:
    Drops, breaks, and transitions often occur at regular intervals (e.g. every 32 bars), which helps DJs anticipate and plan their mix.
  • Clear Cues:
    Elements like risers, snare rolls, or filter sweeps signal upcoming changes in the track—handy for timing transitions.

In short, a DJ-friendly track is built to be part of a seamless set, not just listened to in isolation.
Let me know if you want an example breakdown of a D&B track from this perspective!

Du:​

what do you mean by "Kick/snare balance: Sparse kicks with heavy snares; rhythm often feels more percussive and broken than straight and steady."?

ChatGPT:​

Glad you asked—this is a subtle but important aspect of drum and bass rhythm.

"Sparse kicks with heavy snares"

  • In D&B, especially compared to house or techno, the kick drum (the low thump) isn't used on every beat.
  • Instead of a steady "four-on-the-floor" kick (like in techno: boom boom boom boom), D&B uses kicks more sparingly, often just one or two per bar, carefully placed to keep the groove moving without overwhelming it.
  • The snare, on the other hand, is much more prominent, usually hitting on beats 2 and 4, and often layered to sound sharp, punchy, or even aggressive.
This contrast gives D&B its signature "snap" and rhythmic energy.

"Rhythm often feels more percussive and broken than straight and steady"

  • The drum patterns aren’t just straight time; they’re often made from chopped-up breakbeats (like the Amen break), creating syncopation and complexity.
  • You'll hear ghost notes, off-grid hits, and unexpected accents—this makes the rhythm feel jittery, rolling, or fragmented, not robotic or flat.
  • That’s why it's called “breakbeat”—it “breaks” the beat apart, unlike steady dance genres.

So instead of:
Boom – clap – boom – clap (simple, steady)
You get:
Boom – (ghost) – clap – boom-boom – clap – (fill)
With layers, swing, and variation that give it a more organic and percussive feel.

Hope that helps clarify the groove!

Du:​

No I could claim that if I ask some automaton program to output random patterns of notes to play by typical d&b gear, say, percussion and lo-fi melody keyboard stuff. This would not yield d&b but a pretty mess noone would like to listen to. Give an answer to a hypothetical autistic person on the rules which d&b follows 50-90% of the time, roughly.

ChatGPT:​

Excellent observation—and you're right. Just throwing random patterns at D&B instruments doesn’t make it drum and bass. D&B follows a set of musical rules or tendencies that guide how it feels, moves, and sounds, even though it can vary a lot.
Here's a structured, concrete explanation of the rules that D&B usually follows—let’s say 50–90% of the time—presented clearly and directly, useful for someone who needs predictable logic and form:

🥁 1. Tempo

  • Always fast: Between 160 and 180 BPM.
  • Most commonly around 174 BPM.
  • This is one of the most fixed rules in the genre.

🧱 2. Drum Pattern Rules (Rhythmic Grid)

  • Snare hits almost always land on beat 2 and 4 in each bar.
  • The kick is placed in the first half of the bar, often on beat 1, and sometimes between 1 and 2, or just before 3.
  • Example pattern in a 4/4 measure:
    • Kick - [ ] - Snare - [ ] - Kick - [ ] - Snare - [ ]
  • Drums often follow or are built from breakbeats, especially:
    • Amen break
    • Funky Drummer
    • Apache break
  • These are chopped, re-sequenced, and layered to create syncopation.
  • Ghost notes and small hi-hat rolls are added between main hits to keep the groove alive.

🎵 3. Bassline Behavior

  • Sub-bass is constant and foundational.
  • Usually mono, and follows a simple, low-pitched pattern.
  • Often syncopated (doesn’t hit directly on the beat).
  • The bass interacts rhythmically with the drums—sometimes answering or doubling the rhythm of the kick.

🎼 4. Melody & Harmony

  • Minimal or atmospheric.
  • Often uses 1 to 4 chords only, sometimes just drones or pads.
  • Typical scales:
    • Minor scale
    • Dorian mode
    • Phrygian mode
  • Rarely uses functional harmony (e.g., no classical chord progressions like I–IV–V).
  • Notes are often sustained, looped, or heavily filtered to serve the mood.

🏗️ 5. Arrangement Structure

Follows predictable segments, usually in 8, 16, or 32-bar blocks:
  • Intro (16 or 32 bars):
    • Ambient or minimal; designed for DJs to mix in.
  • Build-up (8 or 16 bars):
    • Filters open, elements stack up, tension rises.
  • Drop (16 or 32 bars):
    • Full beat and bassline kick in.
  • Breakdown (8 to 32 bars):
    • Energy drops, leads into second drop.
  • Second Drop:
    • Variation or repeat of first drop.
  • Outro:
    • Stripped-down elements, fading out for mixing.

🧠 6. Sound Palette

  • Drums are break-based, layered, and processed.
  • Bass is sub-heavy, often distorted or modulated.
  • Pads and FX are used for space and texture.
  • Vocals (if any) are sampled, chopped, and often pitched.
  • Overall sound is clean but aggressive, dark or atmospheric, depending on subgenre.

🎧 Summary as if Programming a Rule Set:​


if BPM in range(160, 181) and snare_on(2, 4) and bass_is_sub and structure_is_modular:
style = "drum and bass"
else:
style = "something else"

These aren't hard laws, but they form the framework. Deviate too far from them, and the track starts to lose its D&B identity. Most tracks obey at least 70–80% of these rules.
Let me know if you'd like a visual grid or MIDI-style map to illustrate these patterns more literally.
Würde ich diese Regeln stupid in was hörbares gießen, kommt wohl nix gescheits, geschweige für andere hörenswertes dabei raus. Bin aber gespannt, ob wer meinen Beitrag ggf. identifiziert. Wenn ich überhaupt was einreiche. Bilder, die durch "Malen nach Zahlen" entstanden sind, häng ich mir lieber nur an die Wand und lass sie ne Weile hängen, Kunst ist das nicht.
 


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