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NAMM 2016 – Yamaha Montage: 8OP FM + AWM / Roland speculation

Yamaha bringt einen Synthesizer der neu ist und irgendwie “Alientechnologie” lt R.Divine in sich tragen soll. ..
Noch ist nicht genau klar, ob mehr als Sampling und 8OP-FM enthalten sein wird. Aber ein Kronos-Angreifer ist er ganz offensichtlich. Aber immerhin ist das der Stand einer Art Super-SY99-FS1R-Kombination. Vermutlich auch eher so als tatsächlich gemischt FM/Sampling, wobei zu viele Sample-OPs ohnehin nicht all zu viel klanglich sinnvolles bieten können mit mehr als 2 Samples – Sinus OPs mit einem Sample hingegen schon. Wer das mal ausprobiert hat mit dem SY99 / TG 77 etc. weiss sicher bescheid.

Algorithms – here’s a shot which looks like it has fixed ones that can be accessed by pressing a number of carriers or modulators in a matrix – but it throws out the classic ones – since they may have their own feedback like Reface DX and have their “real” feedback for noise and variable waveforms the capabilities seem much like the Fs1R .. depends on some details like pitch envelopes etc. – note there is 8OP not unvoiced section – so it is an expanded DX7 with inspiration of the Fs1R and Reface – but it is none of these. but it will do anything a DX7 / DX7 II can do plus 2 OPs!it won’t do 3 user feedbacks but maybe create your own algorithm could be possible, still. Note, that there is a 3OP Feedback loop – which looks a lot like it is not set by users. it’s known from the Fs1R’s…

ok – here’s another one – the waveforms of FM-X are like the FS1R – and therefore do the job of Refaces DX FB – they got a “skirt” parameter for shaping so it’s not just one fixed shape. it may appear more tonal as on those – so the more noisy classic FM synths are a bit better for non-tonal stuff compared to all those newer approaches to my experience. may still be incorrect so far – so stay tuned for more on synthesis.

Synthese-Diskussion zu Montage ist hier Yamaha Montage – Der Neue Große / Synthese…
alg montage
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S1R Algo Table

FS1R Algo FM Synthese http://www.sequencer.de/synthaudio/synthesizer_fm-synthese.html
FS1R Algorithms FM

Price: MONTAGE 6 – £2,169.00 (incl. VAT).
Neue Info – MONTAGE 7 £2,530.00 und der 8er £2,892.00

Der Supernippel™ morpht 32 Parameter. Für FM ist das nicht uninteressant.

best in depth info I could get as a video:

Here’s the latest quote from R-Divine (who took a lot of good images) about Montage:

The Yamaha Montage Synthesizer is finally out! I created over 120 patches, and the internal FM-X synthesis engine is amazingly deep, capable of making very interesting, sounds. One of the most intensive projects I have ever worked on!

Yamaha is rumored to release something “alien“. said Richard Divine – but we don’t if it this is is or was meant. But is will contain sampling and 8OP-FM (128 voices) for sure plus “X”.  Looks very much like Kronos. In the specs it is 127 note sampling as well and seems it is just that but could be more. It’s no more or less last generation FM with Samples. period.
the super knob morphs 32 parameters at the same time.

that FM engine may be something like the FS1R without formant sequencing. AWM is another word for sample playback – the concept seems more suited for those who want to turn one knob referring to the few demos around. no1 talks about editing – so one has to find out – as always this is the “workstation” folks.. so let’s wait for someone who is into sound to demo it.

and it has a sequencer part like the Korgs (motion sequence) for modulation – the number of 8 seems to be the size.
motion sequence

on GS someone posted a list of things, that do not look very “alien” but more flexible that is sort of an assembly of Yamaha classic synths like Korg Kronos Digital Synthesizer is for Korg..
(note that images is NOT reflecting Montage, it’s just an image and won’t show up as a real hardware!)

montage
r.divine – image via fb / instagram.

• it has AWM (Sampling) with Halion-style “modularity”.
count in these:

•VL, AN, CS, YC, FM, SCM, AEM, VRM. <– some of these might not be familiar but it’s basically FM, VA, Phy.Modeling and some more, so it is sort of the EX5 Digital Synthesizer Series continued to the next level merged with sort-of Motif series II
some if these you already know as  Reface , DX Digital Synthesizer // Reface , CS Digital Synthesizer

•Sort of Variphrase/Granular Audio Engine

•Lots of Samples and stuff like big orchestra sample sets (well..)
•Drum stuff’s / touchscreen / lots of voices & FX
• integration of Steinberg stuff (imagine what that means!)

•audio interfacing

Diskussion dazu ->  Das Neue Große von Yamaha (Montage)

Yamaha Montage

src: http://www.musiker-board.de/attachments/yamaha-montage-png.464031
here’s the mag for browsing yourself – but they seemed to have removed that info
Yamaha-Montage

ROLAND RUMORS II

Roland system 8 (Acb, 8 voices , plug-out ,49 Keys) – should be done with 2x the power of the Boutique Synths // the System 1 which has 4 voices – so it should have dual FPGAs aboard and a number of 2 additional chips – could be a big burner if and when it’s done. or 4 for even more voices? Since Boutique has 1 FPGA and System has 2 of them for 4 voices let’s assume a plug-out-compatible System 8 needs 4 FPGAs to run. It’s not a hardware issue – since it’s not too expensive to produce, I’d guess it could be around 800€. Since I did not code that software it is almost just a guess about the amount of chips – but it is more than possible to just have 8 voices – if so I could be in ;) and add another LFO so the System 1 plugout could have 2 LFOs in audio speed in System 100 mode with 4 or 8 voices, then? since plug-outs are usually monophonic to date. so.. we don’t know but I’d go for it since it beats all those VAs in sonic quality. this is a new quality and will be a lot more competitive when there are 8 voices what most keyboarders want and synth-playes and sequencer-acts as well, right?

what do you guess and whish?
and there is still that Roland Sampler as well that might come..

we don’t think this will happen. no sampler, no system 8 …
but they have this little thing

2 thoughts on “NAMM 2016 – Yamaha Montage: 8OP FM + AWM / Roland speculation”

  1. Re: Montage

    GS zitiert die Originalquelle. Sie heißt “Bachus”, ist Platinum Member bei Korg Forums und vermutlich ein Angestellter bei Sam Ash, Sweetwater, Guitar Center odgl. Mittlerweile verfügen Tausende Leute im Handel über foreknowledge.

    http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=670904#670904

    – AWM technollogy will make a huge step (Halion modularrity) into combining sampling with all kinds of virtuall technollogies (VL, AN, CS, YC, FM, SCM, AEM, VRM, etc etc) that make it a true modular engine…
    – Hardware will get an update, not to the level of Kronos, but it will make a huge step…
    – The Montage will be fully audio capable, not just playing audio, but realtime manupilation of audio to…
    – but also you can expect many things that Kontakt (NI) VST can do, like ensemble and orchestral to be inside…
    – New drum engine…
    – huge improvement of the number of voices and effects…
    – Full integration with Cubase 8.5, even more then now, expect to see functionallity comparable to NI komplete and Akai VIP…
    – touchscreen OS…
    – it will be a full fnctioning Audio interface for any PC or laptop..

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