Re: Moog Sub 37 Tribute?
hallöle
thema: editor
dachte ich poste mal vom moog forum die sub phatty editor (eingeschränkte) lösung für den sub 37.
hab mal auf seite 51 unseres threads angefangen zu lesen und nichts gefunden und stelle das mal rein (warnung: viiiiiiel zum lesen)............ich persönlich warte lieber (noch) auf die Amos version.......(noch zum voraus: cubase user, wie ich einer, könnte sein, dass es probleme macht und nicht ganz funzt)
A short summary of the features:
- integration of Sub 37 settings in DAW environment with automatic transfer into the Sub 37 when DAW project is loaded
- management and editing of software presets, two-way real time control, VST automation and MIDI transfer from DAW to Sub 37
- visualization of the knob positions for any Sub 37 patch by loading the presets in the software Editor
- existing Sub Phatty presets can be transferred into the Sub 37 or used as starting point for creating new presets
- Duo Mode parameters can be recorded as part of the preset in the Editor
- creation of random presets thanks to the Random function in the Editor
- works with stand-alone Sub Phatty Editor and Sub Phatty VST/VSTi, both for 32 and 64 bits
Unfortunately there are also a few limitations:
- the interface has been created with Flowstone which means Windows only... no MAC version available
- using the Sub Phatty Editor limits the storage of patches to the Sub Phatty subset of the Sub 37 preset structure. However in practice this is not a major problem, since what is basically missing are only two parts: the Arpeggiator (when connected to a DAW this will be not a main issue since you will use the DAW instead) and one of the two Modulation sections (the Editor can accomodate either the MOD1 or MOD2 settings, see below for more details).
The installation is not very complicated. First of all you will need the attached interface (SUB37VST.exe file) and the loopMIDI virtual MIDI port utility (see
http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/loopmidi.html). I tested a few other virtual MIDI ports as well but the only one supporting 100% reliable the exchange of MIDI Sysex info is loopMIDI so I strongly suggests to use only this (the interface is pre-programmed to use the loopMIDI ports 1 and 2). Finally you need the Sub Phatty Editor that you can find here: the improved version 1.1.0 (viewtopic.php?f=7&t=21587) and the beta version 1.1.1 which offers a better working 32-bit versions (viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22250&start=15).
In order to get it all up and running, you should follow these guidelines (see also attached screen shots of interface and Editor settings):
- make sure loopMIDI is installed and started (with at least two MIDI ports 1 and 2)
- connect and switch on your Sub 37 (but do NOT switch on your Sub Phatty if you have one...). Important: the settings of your Sub 37 should not have been changed into using NRPN MIDI codes (it should be set to the default which is standard MIDI CC codes)
- put the interface (SUB37VST.exe file) in any folder and run it, you should see as selected in/out MIDI ports the first two loopMIDI ports and the Sub 37 ports
- start the Sub Phatty Editor (either as VST or VSTi in your DAW, or as stand-alone file). The first time you will get a warning that the Sub Phatty Ports cannot be found, but this warning can be suppressed for afterwards in the setup menu. Also you will find a 'hardware disconnected' message inside the Editor but this is normal (the Editor cannot see any Sub Phatty and will not know that there is a Sub 37 - that is where the interface is for). In the settings of the Editor you should check the following:
* as MIDI Input you should select loopMIDI Port 2
* as MIDI Output you should select loopMIDI Port 1
* you should switch on 'Echo MIDI from Host' (to allow notes and other MIDI info from your DAW to pass through)
* you should switch off the 'MIDI Port Warning'
* no need to change any settings at the right side (this will have no effect anyway).
Now you are done...!!! Check if the communication works by changing the position of the filter knob on your Sub 37, the filter knob of the software Editor should now move in the same way... then click repeatedly on the Legato button completely at the left of the Editor and you should see the Legato button on your Sub 37 lighting on and off...
You can verify whether there is communication in both ways via the 4 LEDs on the interface (VRX = VST Editor Receive, VTX = VST Editor Transmit, SRX = Sub 37 Receive, STX = Sub 37 Transmit). You can also see whether you are working in 7-bit or 14-bit accuracy. Normally you do not have to change this on the interface because the software will automatically follow your selection on the Sub 37 MIDI Out Filters Menu (you can chose between 7-bit and 14-bit). If you use 14-bit precision then it will need more bandwidth, and if you might have communication errors due to using 14-bit you can change back to 7-bit in the Sub 37 menu. The interface will always start up in the 7-bit setting and as soon as it sees any 14-bit value being transmitted then it will change to 14-bit accuracy for both directions of communication. Once all is set up you do not need to access or even to see the SUB37VST interface: all interaction can be done via the Editor (see below) and the interface just has to be running in the background. Only in case you switch off and then again on your Sub 37, it might be necessary to stop and restart the interface or at least to refresh the MIDI port settings.
Finally a few explanations on how to use the Sub Phatty Editor to handle your Sub 37:
- you can upload a preset from the Sub 37 to the Editor by double clicking the 'Vel to Time' knob in the lower part completely at the right side (do NOT turn the knob, only double click - this works both in FILTER and AMPLIFIER mode)
- you can download a preset from the Editor to the Sub 37 in 3 different ways:
* saving the preset anywhere on your PC (use Save button) and opening it again (use Load)
* saving the project in your DAW (when using the VST version of the Editor) and re-opening it
* (when you have saved several presets in one folder) by browsing presets via the up/down buttons or by selecting the name
- the Fast Decay knob in FILTER mode (Editor) corresponds to Duo Mode (Sub 37)
- the LFO KB Amount knob (Editor) corresponds to DUO KB CTRL (Sub 37): min position = neither, mid position = LO, max position = HI
- the Fast Decay knob in AMPLIFIER mode (Editor) selects whether the knobs and settings in the MOD section of the Editor are linked to MOD1 or MOD2 of the Sub 37: Fast Decay Off = MOD1, Fast Decay On = MOD2. This applies both for uploading (the Editor will copy the settings of MOD1 or MOD2 depending on the status of the Fast Decay switch) and downloading (the Sub 37 will receive the MOD Settings of the Editor in either MOD1 or MOD2 corresponding to the Fast Decay switch whereas the not selected MOD1 or MOD2 will be reset after download). Important: be aware not to confuse the Fast Decay switch in AMPLIFIER mode (used for MOD1 / MOD2 selection) with the Fast Decay Switch in FILTER Mode, which is used for Duo Mode...
- all other knobs and buttons of the Editor (except for the Librarian button that can be used to manage the Editor presets stored on the PC) correspond to their equivalents on the Sub 37. In some cases the functions of the Sub 37 are limited to the available choices in the Editor (e.g. Wave Mod Destination or Pitch Mod Osc Select) which might together with one missing MOD section slightly change the sound of a preset after uploading to the Editor and downloading again back to the Sub 37
- some knobs are bipolar on the Sub 37 whereas the Editor shows them as normal knobs, however you can use them still in the same way with 0 at the mid position
- in real time editing a few buttons will react only in one way: when changing Glide Gated/Loop/Latch (Sub 37) the Editor equivalents Gated/Repeat/Gate Source will not follow but they DO work in the other direction (from Editor to Sub 37), and they work fine in both directions for uploading and downloading (this is due to the fact that standard MIDI CC codes are not available for all buttons on the Sub 37)
- if I forgot anything or if you have any questions or suggestions, please let me know.
Sorry if all this was a bit long... but now it is time to enjoy your Sub 37 with Editor! Happy music and many thanks to Moog for their great sounding products!!
